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		<title>By: Doogie</title>
		<link>http://www.tech-evangelist.com/2007/07/22/thunderbird-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-12508</link>
		<dc:creator>Doogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom

Yes, have her try to send any large image in a separate file. The issue with attachment size is a cumulative issue. In other words, it may be related to the combined size of the images, not the size of a single image. It is possible. that when a threshold level for total attachments is reached, the compression become more aggressive. 

We have seen things like this with AOL in the past. Unless &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.saratogahosting.com/aol/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AOL user turn off the compression&lt;/a&gt;, the images viewed on web sites are further compressed as they pass through the AOL servers and many become distorted because of this.  This can make some web sites look pretty crappy. 

If your aunt is using AOL for her ISP, they could be compressing e-mails in a similar manner, although I do not know exactly what AOL is doing with their e-mail messages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom</p>
<p>Yes, have her try to send any large image in a separate file. The issue with attachment size is a cumulative issue. In other words, it may be related to the combined size of the images, not the size of a single image. It is possible. that when a threshold level for total attachments is reached, the compression become more aggressive. </p>
<p>We have seen things like this with AOL in the past. Unless <a href="http://www.saratogahosting.com/aol/" rel="nofollow">AOL user turn off the compression</a>, the images viewed on web sites are further compressed as they pass through the AOL servers and many become distorted because of this.  This can make some web sites look pretty crappy. </p>
<p>If your aunt is using AOL for her ISP, they could be compressing e-mails in a similar manner, although I do not know exactly what AOL is doing with their e-mail messages.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doogie,
Thanks very much for your insight it is greatly appreciated. I think you are correct in that Gmail is using some sort of proprietary compression that Thunderbird cannot intrepret since the larger attachments open up perfectly when using a browser and logging onto gmail. 
You said &quot;You might want to have your aunt try to send each large JPEG file attached to a separate e-mail message to see if that works.&quot;  
Do you mean have her send the large pictures in separate emails (which is what I think you are saying) when she notices they are above ?  The photos she is having issues with are nowhere near 25MB in size.  

There does not seem to be any rhyme or reason behind why some open and some don&#039;t. For example in December an email was received that had a 117k photo and a 70k photo that would not open in Thunderbird (but opened just fine directly in gmail).  1 week later my aunt sent an email with three 100K plus photos and Thunderbird opened them up just fine.
This really has me scratching my head as in the end I am getting funny looks since I am the one who moved her over to gmail and Thunderbird from a very irritating roadrunner account. 

Thanks,

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doogie,<br />
Thanks very much for your insight it is greatly appreciated. I think you are correct in that Gmail is using some sort of proprietary compression that Thunderbird cannot intrepret since the larger attachments open up perfectly when using a browser and logging onto gmail.<br />
You said &#8220;You might want to have your aunt try to send each large JPEG file attached to a separate e-mail message to see if that works.&#8221;<br />
Do you mean have her send the large pictures in separate emails (which is what I think you are saying) when she notices they are above ?  The photos she is having issues with are nowhere near 25MB in size.  </p>
<p>There does not seem to be any rhyme or reason behind why some open and some don&#8217;t. For example in December an email was received that had a 117k photo and a 70k photo that would not open in Thunderbird (but opened just fine directly in gmail).  1 week later my aunt sent an email with three 100K plus photos and Thunderbird opened them up just fine.<br />
This really has me scratching my head as in the end I am getting funny looks since I am the one who moved her over to gmail and Thunderbird from a very irritating roadrunner account. </p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the information, Doogie. Having your files in a location that is easy to backup is a good idea and I will implement this change on the new computer. Your instructions lead me to the correct folder to copy from one computer to the other.

FWIW, other than Windows 7 putting the Thunderbird data in a different hidden folder:
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird etc.
everything else seemed to set up exactly like Windows XP.

Thanks for your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the information, Doogie. Having your files in a location that is easy to backup is a good idea and I will implement this change on the new computer. Your instructions lead me to the correct folder to copy from one computer to the other.</p>
<p>FWIW, other than Windows 7 putting the Thunderbird data in a different hidden folder:<br />
C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird etc.<br />
everything else seemed to set up exactly like Windows XP.</p>
<p>Thanks for your help.</p>
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		<title>By: Doogie</title>
		<link>http://www.tech-evangelist.com/2007/07/22/thunderbird-tips/comment-page-1/#comment-12476</link>
		<dc:creator>Doogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vicky

Read the article about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tech-evangelist.com/2006/01/04/mozilla-thunderbird-file-location/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Changing the Thunderbird File Location with XP&lt;/a&gt;. The article explains where you will find the email files, how to move them to a new location and how to connect Thunderbird to the new location.  It is always a good idea to keep all important files in a location that is easy to back up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vicky</p>
<p>Read the article about <a href="http://www.tech-evangelist.com/2006/01/04/mozilla-thunderbird-file-location/" rel="nofollow">Changing the Thunderbird File Location with XP</a>. The article explains where you will find the email files, how to move them to a new location and how to connect Thunderbird to the new location.  It is always a good idea to keep all important files in a location that is easy to back up.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi ~ I have a new computer with Windows 7. My old computer is XP. I use Thunderbird email and can receive emails on both computers. I need help getting the old Thunderbird emails on XP transferred to the Windows 7 computer. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ~ I have a new computer with Windows 7. My old computer is XP. I use Thunderbird email and can receive emails on both computers. I need help getting the old Thunderbird emails on XP transferred to the Windows 7 computer. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Doogie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom

There actually is no such thing as a decompression for JPEGs, unless it uses a separate method, such as with zip file compression. Once a JPEG is compressed using standard JPEG compression, it stays compressed forever.  

As far as I know, Thunderbird does not compress attached images, but it does encode attachments as part of the message. In other words, when an e-mail attachment is sent, it is stored in Thunderbird as part of the e-mail. There is no separate file for the attachment. That may be where you are running into problems if there is something wrong with the JPEG format and Thunderbird cannot interpret it. 

You might want to see what type of tool your aunt is using to send the images. They should be sent as attachments and not embedded, especially if they are large files. it sounds like they are attachments. 

It looks like there is a 25 meg limit for GMail attachments. 

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=8770

You will find the following on that page. 

&quot;With Gmail, you can send and receive messages up to 25 megabytes (MB) in size. Please note that you may not be able to send larger attachments to contacts who use other email services with smaller attachment limits.&quot;

It could be that GMail is compressing the large files using a proprietary method that they can interpret, but Thunderbird cannot. I suspect that the problem is with GMail. 

Your aunt&#039;s ISP could also be part of the problem if they are doing something to limit attachment sizes. You probably have at least two different ISPs and GMail involved in this. 

You might want to have your aunt try to send each large JPEG file attached to a separate e-mail message to see if that works. That might avoid any GMail filter that could be compressing the larger images if the total size of the attachments exceeds their limit.  

Have you seen this problem with anything other than a GMail account? That could tell you if GMail is causing the problem. 

Perhaps someone else has a solution for this. Feel free to join in if you have a solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom</p>
<p>There actually is no such thing as a decompression for JPEGs, unless it uses a separate method, such as with zip file compression. Once a JPEG is compressed using standard JPEG compression, it stays compressed forever.  </p>
<p>As far as I know, Thunderbird does not compress attached images, but it does encode attachments as part of the message. In other words, when an e-mail attachment is sent, it is stored in Thunderbird as part of the e-mail. There is no separate file for the attachment. That may be where you are running into problems if there is something wrong with the JPEG format and Thunderbird cannot interpret it. </p>
<p>You might want to see what type of tool your aunt is using to send the images. They should be sent as attachments and not embedded, especially if they are large files. it sounds like they are attachments. </p>
<p>It looks like there is a 25 meg limit for GMail attachments. </p>
<p><a href="http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#038;answer=8770" rel="nofollow">http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&#038;answer=8770</a></p>
<p>You will find the following on that page. </p>
<p>&#8220;With Gmail, you can send and receive messages up to 25 megabytes (MB) in size. Please note that you may not be able to send larger attachments to contacts who use other email services with smaller attachment limits.&#8221;</p>
<p>It could be that GMail is compressing the large files using a proprietary method that they can interpret, but Thunderbird cannot. I suspect that the problem is with GMail. </p>
<p>Your aunt&#8217;s ISP could also be part of the problem if they are doing something to limit attachment sizes. You probably have at least two different ISPs and GMail involved in this. </p>
<p>You might want to have your aunt try to send each large JPEG file attached to a separate e-mail message to see if that works. That might avoid any GMail filter that could be compressing the larger images if the total size of the attachments exceeds their limit.  </p>
<p>Have you seen this problem with anything other than a GMail account? That could tell you if GMail is causing the problem. </p>
<p>Perhaps someone else has a solution for this. Feel free to join in if you have a solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I am having an issue with Thunderbird and JPEG&#039;s.  My aunt sends my grandmother lots of pictures.  About 80% of them we have no problem opening.  Unfortunately the other 20% (which are always the larger ones) will not open.  When we log into my grandmothers account directly through GMAIL the photos open up and are displayed no problem.  I know that when large JPEG&#039;s are sent they are automatically compressed in the JPEG format.  The issue is that GMAIL is able to identify and decompress the photos and Thunderbird is not.  Do you have any suggestions?  I have tried everything from using a different photo viewer to uninstalling and re-installing Thunderbird to no avail.  Please let me know if you have a suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I am having an issue with Thunderbird and JPEG&#8217;s.  My aunt sends my grandmother lots of pictures.  About 80% of them we have no problem opening.  Unfortunately the other 20% (which are always the larger ones) will not open.  When we log into my grandmothers account directly through GMAIL the photos open up and are displayed no problem.  I know that when large JPEG&#8217;s are sent they are automatically compressed in the JPEG format.  The issue is that GMAIL is able to identify and decompress the photos and Thunderbird is not.  Do you have any suggestions?  I have tried everything from using a different photo viewer to uninstalling and re-installing Thunderbird to no avail.  Please let me know if you have a suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Doogie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the time people are complaining about images and documents that are shown inline when they do not want them inline.  :D

The real problem is all of the variations with e-mail formats, forwarded messages versus original messages, etc.  Some of the messages may have embedded images, which are controlled by the sender.  If the image is not embedded at the source, it will not be embedded when you receive it. &quot;Inline&quot; merely tries to force attached images or documents to display after the message. 

The problem is likely related to the way the messages are being sent. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the time people are complaining about images and documents that are shown inline when they do not want them inline.  <img src='http://www.tech-evangelist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The real problem is all of the variations with e-mail formats, forwarded messages versus original messages, etc.  Some of the messages may have embedded images, which are controlled by the sender.  If the image is not embedded at the source, it will not be embedded when you receive it. &#8220;Inline&#8221; merely tries to force attached images or documents to display after the message. </p>
<p>The problem is likely related to the way the messages are being sent.</p>
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		<title>By: rickbking</title>
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		<dc:creator>rickbking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(see previous post) I forgot to mention that the images *are* shown inline, but *after* the main body of the message with the text. So I can see them but out of context. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(see previous post) I forgot to mention that the images *are* shown inline, but *after* the main body of the message with the text. So I can see them but out of context. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: rickbking</title>
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		<dc:creator>rickbking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like messages sent to me with attached images to show the images inline. Sometimes they are shown inline, but most of the time not. View-&gt;Display attachments inline is checked. View-&gt;Message body as-&gt;Original HTML is set. What else can I do? My version is 2.0.0.23. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like messages sent to me with attached images to show the images inline. Sometimes they are shown inline, but most of the time not. View-&gt;Display attachments inline is checked. View-&gt;Message body as-&gt;Original HTML is set. What else can I do? My version is 2.0.0.23. Thanks.</p>
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